DON’T TRUST WHITEY

April 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM (Uncategorized) ()

If there are any women out there who are still operating under the delusion that feminist spaces or lesbian spaces are safe spaces with regard to race, ethnicity, or nationality, this is your wake up call: DO NOT TRUST WHITEY.

White feminists and white lesbians can be some of the shadiest white supremacists (yes, that reads “white supremacists,” not “racists”) out there. The KKK knows that they are white supremacists and will be straight up with you about being white supremacists, but these women DO NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT THEY ARE WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND DON’T WANT TO SEE IT WHEN YOU POINT IT OUT.

I know this stuff has probably been said before, but it needs to keep being said, again and again until everyone has read it 57 times and actually get’s it. I’m going to make this simple for all the white people out there whose IQ suddenly drops to -12 when it comes to issues of race.

If you are talking about a group of people, and randomly mention the race of the non-white people, especially while not saying a damn thing about the race of the white people in the group, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

If someone calls you out on your white supremacist bullshit, and your first/only response/thought is that you are “not a racist!!!” THEN THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU ARE RACIST.

If someone tells you that a white woman said something that blatantly indicates that she is a racial fetishist, and you say that women don’t fetishize others, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

If you also jump to pull out the good ole’ “it’s just a preference for certain physical characteristics” bullshit with regard to that white racial fetishist after being told that she fetishizes racial minorities in general, YOU ARE DOING DOUBLE DUTY SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY. Just what the fuck kind of physical characteristic preference is “all ethnic minorities”?

If you mean that someone doesn’t speak English very well, but what you actually say is “this person is X nationality,” YOU ARE RACIST FOR CONFLATING NATIONALITY AND ENGLISH-SPEAKING ABILITY.

If you don’t think white supremacy is an important issue with regards to feminism and women’s liberation, or don’t think it is within the purview of feminism or women’s liberation, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

If you are supporting white supremacy, you are not helping women, and you are not showing love of women, so think carefully about what you mean when you call yourself a lesbian or a feminist. If you are supporting white supremacy, you are also supporting male supremacy – by supporting white males specifically, by condoning and applying hateful, divisive, dehumanizing tactics and attitudes that males in general use, and by remaining blind to the ways male supremacy affects women who aren’t white..

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20 Comments

  1. Isabelle said,

    I have felt the same regarding feminist and lesbian spaces, particularly those online. I find it equally outrageous when white, middle-class feminists state that our identities are a patronym, ‘sucking up to teh menz and attempting to get their recognition’ and we should only identify as female and feminists, completely invisibilizing and trivializing our experiences of oppression and identities which shape us as human beings. Isn’t it ironic though how many of these feminists are the first ones to randomly mention the race of non-white people while not saying anything about the race of white people, as it supports white supremacy? Another thing: stating that racism, classism, colonialism etc are ‘distractions’, as it would be focusing on ‘symptoms of patriarchy instead of the cause (sexism)’. That is absurd. As I have written elsewhere, patriarchy reveals itself in racism in the experience of black women, in racist sexism; patriarchy reveals itself in classism in the experience of working-class women, in classist sexism; patriarchy reveals itself in anti-lesbianism in the experience of lesbian women, in anti-lesbian sexism, and so on. These are previously established power structures actively mutilating women’s lives; you absolutely cannot ignore them. I was shocked to come across such statements/attitudes in feminist spaces.

  2. m Andrea said,

    Thank you very much. I’m sure it’s incredibly frustrating for you and others to have to say these things over and over, but unfortunately I’ve come to the conclusion that people of all ethnicities and genders need this kind of constant repetition in order to circumvent the tendency to get stuck in non-helpful modes of thinking, if we’re ever to stop doing it. Anyway, thanks again.

    If you are talking about a group of people, and randomly mention the race of the non-white people, especially while not saying a damn thing about the race of the white people in the group, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

    This. It hasn’t been all that long ago that I started verbalizing the “white” part of “people” when I’m specially talking about white people. It’s just a little thing, but it does make a difference, and all those small adjustments add up.

  3. m Andrea said,

    What?! No moderation!? Gah, you must be fierce!!

    • lesbianplusfeminist said,

      I wonder what gave you the idea that I don’t moderate.

      • m Andrea said,

        Oh, noticed my comment seemed to display immediately, without that “your comment is in moderation” tag.

  4. citywood said,

    This is too true.

  5. Valerie M said,

    This is a great post. I can’t stand it that feminists keep doing this.

  6. Mary Sunshine said,

    Just discovered you. Very enlightening post. Thanks!

  7. TBL said,

    Excellent post. I especially want to quote this bit:

    If you don’t think white supremacy is an important issue with regards to feminism and women’s liberation, or don’t think it is within the purview of feminism or women’s liberation, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

    Exactly.

  8. Margaret said,

    Hi there. I’m really glad to see this post. I do want to warn you, however, that you have a certain well-known white supremacist woman in this comment thread. She’s made quite a habit of inserting herself into these sorts of conversations, but she’s got un-recanted white-supremacist screeds on her blog. It’s really pretty disgusting. Email me if you want more information.

    Aside from that, though, yes, it’s absolutely ridiculous the way white women in general deny nonwhite women the right to speak from all-encompassing perspectives, preferring that we omit certain facets of our experience in order to make them more comfortable. All the while, they exert a constant white-male influence – in their priorities, their mannerisms, their entitlements – and simultaneously obscure this fact by failing to make mention of the white-male root of these behaviors, just like white males do. They are very much bonded to white males, sexually, culturally, economically, and for some reason they think that if they simply don’t mention their own race, or the race of the brothers, husbands, sons, and male friends they’re constantly defending, no one will notice.

    If I hear one more white woman extolling the virtues of expending all her energies on raising a (white) “feminist” son, I’ll fucking scream. Yes, give all your energy to a white male, but then expect me to believe that I’m the one with a fixation on males for simply discussing the ways that white-male supremacy affects me as a black woman. One would think the fact that I won’t ever be devoting all my energies to any white male son (whether because I’m black and would be unlikely to produce any white kids even if I were interested in having them, or because I’m a lesbian and don’t want sperm anywhere near me) would make it quite obvious that the white woman’s experience is not the default female experience – that femaleness itself is lesbian, black, poor, uneducated, fat, etc. as much as it is anything else. Any discussion of femaleness, or females, that doesn’t include all facets of femaleness is merely abstract, not based on anything that actually exists in the real word.

    • lesbianplusfeminist said,

      I hate how complicated wordpress is. I’m trying to find your address right now.

      I came across one or two blogs about white women raising sons. It was through a link from some feminist blogs, so I was just plain confused. I couldn’t figure out what it had to do with feminism, thought I was missing something or they were taking a break from womyn’s issues to blog about their kids or something.

      I’m glad you decided to return to AROOO from your vacation. It’s the last sane place on the whole goddamned internet.

      • Margaret said,

        Thanks for the compliment 🙂

        These white women raising sons think their concerns are feminist because they claim that they’re raising “feminist” sons. Give me a break. There are accounts (see Bev Jo or Sonia Johnson) of boys raised by so-called separatists, even, who ended up raping the daughters of other separatists. How women can think that inflicting their male offspring on little girls is feminist, or that the boys themselves will ever turn out to be feminist, is beyond me.

  9. Margaret said,

    Also, I can’t tell you how much I agree with this statement:

    If someone tells you that a white woman said something that blatantly indicates that she is a racial fetishist, and you say that women don’t fetishize others, YOU ARE SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY.

    Many lesbians are willing to proclaim that bisexual and/or ex-het women should only date each other, or, at the very least, should only actively seek each other out, in order not to burden lesbians or never-het lesbians with whatever issues they might have. Far fewer are willing to acknowledge that this notion should apply to *all* privileged lesbians, and that white lesbians should also not actively seek to impose themselves on only nonwhite lesbians.

  10. Fiend said,

    So why haven’t you posted recently????????

    • lesbianplusfeminist said,

      I’m a perfectionist when it comes to writing for this blog. I’ve also gotten a bit caught up in work.

  11. Valerie M said,

    How women can think that inflicting their male offspring on little girls is feminist, or that the boys themselves will ever turn out to be feminist, is beyond me.

    Sadly, I think you are probably right.

  12. Breast said,

    I have felt the same regarding feminist and lesbian spaces, particularly those online. I find it equally outrageous when white, middle-class feminists state that our identities are a patronym, ‘sucking up to teh menz and attempting to get their recognition’ and we should only identify as female and feminists, completely invisibilizing and trivializing our experiences of oppression and identities which shape us as human beings. Isn’t it ironic though how many of these feminists are the first ones to randomly mention the race of non-white people while not saying anything about the race of white people, as it supports white supremacy? Another thing: stating that racism, classism, colonialism etc are ‘distractions’, as it would be focusing on ‘symptoms of patriarchy instead of the cause (sexism)’. That is absurd. As I have written elsewhere, patriarchy reveals itself in racism in the experience of black women, in racist sexism; patriarchy reveals itself in classism in the experience of working-class women, in classist sexism; patriarchy reveals itself in anti-lesbianism in the experience of lesbian women, in anti-lesbian sexism, and so on. These are previously established power structures actively mutilating women’s lives; you absolutely cannot ignore them. I was shocked to come across such statements/attitudes in feminist spaces.
    +1

  13. Margaret said,

    While I’m on the subject of Undercover Punk on the Duh thread, I’ll just say that she’s another of the white women I’ve seen comment at this blog who have behaved and continue to behave in white-supremacist ways.

    Here’s a thread at TBL’s that sort of delves a bit into this particular bit of history. Unfortunately, or not, Undercover Punk’s comments have been deleted for violating the comment policy, but if I recall correctly, Undercover Punk decided she would go “over my head,” so to speak, to a white woman, in order to complain (yet again) that I’d bullied her, in the hopes that her side of the story would be better received by a growing cohort of white ladies than it was by me.

    If you want more back story, I’m happy to provide it. Suffice it to say, though, that none of this has ever been acknowledged for what it is, redacted, apologized for, or anything.

    • TBL said,

      Yeah, I should have kept her comments so that everyone could read for themselves, but in the moment (and as a less experienced blogger than I am now) I just thought it was too disgusting to have her racist comments right there on my blog.

  14. Margaret said,

    Here’s another thread at TBL’s about that same episode. In particular, this comment illustrates exactly the type of woman we’re dealing with here:

    You know you’re a racist when your commenters feel comfortable starting out a comment with:

    I think the “race” accusation in TBL is simply a derail of your point that “high school” type internet cliques and behavior get tiresome.

    and ending with:

    What do they call a blog roll in Japanese? “Sushi”

    This was from a comment one of Undercover Punk’s regular commenters left on her blog. It went entirely unchallenged, and was even applauded.

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